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What would help you most now in progressing your mixing if a First Order resource were to be expanded on beyond a very well crafted basic 20 flavors into a resource for advancing your mixing knowledge?

Based on the wonderful work of u/Apexified in the FAQ Friday BEST flavors, one can get a totally explained breakdown of getting the bang for your buck in terms of (1) the original FIRST ORDER list (2) how that list plays out on atf and (3) what you would need to add to your stash as you expand your mixing to include top rated recipes at atf and reddit monthly winners. All with comprehensive charts at the end.

Research:

I was curious to see what would happen if you took a different approach and added one flavor at a time to your stash going down the top 100 flavors at atf. I created a new account and decided to start by adding ONLY the fruit flavors all at once to eliminate them as a limiting factor. All 35 together clocks you in at an underwhelming 11 recipes. (Except of course I had missed FW Blueberry until I got to it near the end of this experiment.) I then added each flavor that was missing one by one and checked to see if there were any significant changes to the highest rated/most popular/hottest recipes on the front page based on the "what can I make?" feature. I only recorded the number of recipes as it grew and any notable recipes that were added but I wasn't very thorough or scientific about it. I wasn't thinking ahead and just saved it all in a reddit table rather than in a google sheet (which is probably too long to add here). I was planning to just add the top 10 flavors that were missing and, when I added those and found only sugar cookie, cliche and mother of god's milk had been added to the top of what I could make, I was frankly surprised that one could only make 50 recipes and only few that were highly rated. So I plowed through (like an obsessive fool) until I couldn't take any more about down to number 50 (butterscotch ripple) where the list had grown to 176 (with the addition of FW blueberry finally) with a larger number of notable additions. This was all excluding fruits as they were already included. There's more to this but Ill keep this short (not my forte).

Thoughts:

As noted by u/Apexified in the FAQ Friday BEST Flavors:

"If you were to buy just the Top 20 flavors from ATF you would be able to make a whopping 29 recipes."

Continuing,

"..if you were really ambitious and bought all 100 of the top flavors, you’d be able to mix up 350 recipes and 21 of the top 50 recipes. You’d also be +1 flavor away from 1159 recipes but let’s be honest, you just spent $215 on flavors, maybe it’s time to take a break. " (and tobaccos will lack representation outside ry4's!)

Also,

'“My First Order” Flavors from the sidebar gives you 20 flavors voted on by all of us here as the best way to start and even includes a few recipes that you can make with them. ATF returns  a solid but not quite astonishing 48 recipes with those flavors in your stash.'

With only 11 recipes for the top 35 fruits, this is clearly not an entry point into mixing. Adding to your arsenal the top 50 will yield few notable mixes at easily close to $200 (if not more) and doesnt seem worth it as a FIRST order."

Conclusions:

Apex said it best in his own conclusion, "All the data in the world isn’t going to come up with a list of flavors that will cater perfectly to your palate. I was hoping to put together a more definitive list that could maximize flavor buying efficiency but every which way you look at it you end up 1 or more flavors short of making the next best thing."

This leads me to believe that organizing resources for mixers such as user suggested profiles/highly rated recipes in basic categories may help meeting the needs of one's palette. Most people start DIY to save money, have control over their juice (nic, flavors, sweeteners etc) but also because we want what we want: variety and customization and newness.

To this end, I think it would be a useful expansion to the My First Order to have a resource including a variety of basic profiles to work with and start out messing with, a list of swappable building blocks in terms of fruits to drop on top of a cream/custard/bakery base which we started doing in update 1. u/juthinc is working on expanding that list to more specific categories (so we can vote on some and get a community discussion/consensus) While I am working on researching the rest of the profiles for threads that will facilitate discussion. Hopefully, people will share their knowledge or awesome saved links!

Also, based on the feedback from the last post, I think it might be useful to explore the possibility of a suggested substitution list. It seems having limited flavors keeps people from trying some recipes as they are written. It might be nice to compile a sub list so that people starting out with the basic first order list can try additional recipes (not true to the recipe, of course, but close) and expand the list of possible recipes to try.

Lastly, I will compile everything I can find on SFPs, flavor pairings, 3 flavor recipes so newer mixers can try them and more intermediate mixers can use them as building blocks.

Please comment, up/downvote, give feedback, or just share ideas/questions you want someone more obsessive than you to research!

What would help you most now in progressing your mixing if a First Order resource were to be expanded on beyond a very well crafted basic 20 flavors into a resource for advancing your mixing knowledge?Based on the wonderful work of u/Apexified in the FAQ Friday BEST flavors, one can get a totally explained breakdown of getting the bang for your buck in terms of (1) the original FIRST ORDER list (2) how that list plays out on atf and (3) what you would need to add to your stash as you expand your mixing to include top rated recipes at atf and reddit monthly winners. All with comprehensive charts at the end.Research:I was curious to see what would happen if you took a different approach and added one flavor at a time to your stash going down the top 100 flavors at atf. I created a new account and decided to start by adding ONLY the fruit flavors all at once to eliminate them as a limiting factor. All 35 together clocks you in at an underwhelming 11 recipes. (Except of course I had missed FW Blueberry until I got to it near the end of this experiment.) I then added each flavor that was missing one by one and checked to see if there were any significant changes to the highest rated/most popular/hottest recipes on the front page based on the “what can I make?” feature. I only recorded the number of recipes as it grew and any notable recipes that were added but I wasn’t very thorough or scientific about it. I wasn’t thinking ahead and just saved it all in a reddit table rather than in a google sheet (which is probably too long to add here). I was planning to just add the top 10 flavors that were missing and, when I added those and found only sugar cookie, cliche and mother of god’s milk had been added to the top of what I could make, I was frankly surprised that one could only make 50 recipes and only few that were highly rated. So I plowed through (like an obsessive fool) until I couldn’t take any more about down to number 50 (butterscotch ripple) where the list had grown to 176 (with the addition of FW blueberry finally) with a larger number of notable additions. This was all excluding fruits as they were already included. There’s more to this but Ill keep this short (not my forte).Thoughts:As noted by u/Apexified in the FAQ Friday BEST Flavors:”If you were to buy just the Top 20 flavors from ATF you would be able to make a whopping 29 recipes.”Continuing,”..if you were really ambitious and bought all 100 of the top flavors, you’d be able to mix up 350 recipes and 21 of the top 50 recipes. You’d also be +1 flavor away from 1159 recipes but let’s be honest, you just spent $215 on flavors, maybe it’s time to take a break. ” (and tobaccos will lack representation outside ry4’s!)Also,’“My First Order” Flavors from the sidebar gives you 20 flavors voted on by all of us here as the best way to start and even includes a few recipes that you can make with them. ATF returns  a solid but not quite astonishing 48 recipes with those flavors in your stash.’With only 11 recipes for the top 35 fruits, this is clearly not an entry point into mixing. Adding to your arsenal the top 50 will yield few notable mixes at easily close to $200 (if not more) and doesnt seem worth it as a FIRST order.”Conclusions:Apex said it best in his own conclusion, “All the data in the world isn’t going to come up with a list of flavors that will cater perfectly to your palate. I was hoping to put together a more definitive list that could maximize flavor buying efficiency but every which way you look at it you end up 1 or more flavors short of making the next best thing.”This leads me to believe that organizing resources for mixers such as user suggested profiles/highly rated recipes in basic categories may help meeting the needs of one’s palette. Most people start DIY to save money, have control over their juice (nic, flavors, sweeteners etc) but also because we want what we want: variety and customization and newness.To this end, I think it would be a useful expansion to the My First Order to have a resource including a variety of basic profiles to work with and start out messing with, a list of swappable building blocks in terms of fruits to drop on top of a cream/custard/bakery base which we started doing in update 1. u/juthinc is working on expanding that list to more specific categories (so we can vote on some and get a community discussion/consensus) While I am working on researching the rest of the profiles for threads that will facilitate discussion. Hopefully, people will share their knowledge or awesome saved links!Also, based on the feedback from the last post, I think it might be useful to explore the possibility of a suggested substitution list. It seems having limited flavors keeps people from trying some recipes as they are written. It might be nice to compile a sub list so that people starting out with the basic first order list can try additional recipes (not true to the recipe, of course, but close) and expand the list of possible recipes to try.Lastly, I will compile everything I can find on SFPs, flavor pairings, 3 flavor recipes so newer mixers can try them and more intermediate mixers can use them as building blocks.Please comment, up/downvote, give feedback, or just share ideas/questions you want someone more obsessive than you to research!

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