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Good day all! I recently have entered stage 2 of my juice making hobby and finally taking the commercial plunge. Mainly been about my own supply and providing friends and coworkers with a reasonable bulk option that 'has no corners cut'

First lesson is one I came up with a few years ago. Mentioned in a few threads, but figured this should have more visibility!

Bulk Steeping

This is used for tobaccos, creams, custards and very potent/floral flavors like TFA Key Lime, TFA Orange Creamsicle, TFA Grape Soda to smooth off the rough and icky edges and get some deep maturity.

Recently entered into the bakery domain and see great promise in using this technique to enhance a 'base' mix with greater than 0.5% Acetyl Pyrazine and Brown Sugar.

Originally this was my go-to technique for TFA [Mild Black, Vanilla Bean Icecream, Bavarian Cream, RY4 etc]

  • Mainly, it's because these can be some of the best flavors when done right but require a lot of patience and is not something you can just make on demand and be happy with the outcome.
  • The second main point is that in a recipe you will undoubtedly have bright flavors, typically fruits, which will be muted during an extended steeping period, or may introduce higher EM percentages and influence the 'base'

  1. Use a large glass bottle, preferrably coloured, as your bulk steep vessel. I use 8oz up to 24oz (750ml booze bottle)
  2. Pick a percentage that is easy to remember. Use this for all bases so you don't have to think about it. I use 20% or 25%. Which is 1/5th or 1/4 v/v
  3. Fill remaining volume with VG and a small amount of nicotine. I'm really unsure whether this works properly without that catalyst …
  4. Blend well, and if you use a mixing app .. make an entry like VBIC 1:5 premix (20%) You can also set the VG/PG numbers to 80/20
  5. Let these bulk age. Mark date on the label, name and ratio.
  6. When using this in a recipe, you use the same factor that was chosen in step #2. VBIC 1:5 requires 5x the volume in a recipe to become the proper amount. So 2% VBIC is 10% premix base.
  7. To continue this example, you would then add Strawberry (ripe) and the couple berry notes you like to support it. Second Strawberry, dash Raspberry, dash Acai or Dragonfruit etc.
  8. It is now a fully steeped cream with bright fruit notes on top. Shake / Vape. You can mix smaller amounts like 120/60ml bottles to ensure it's fresh but also gauge how it matures afterwards with another tester.

My 10 flavor mix went flat

This is something new to me. Mainly because of the massive expansion of my flavor collection. When I cook, I use intuition and follow a broad plan but improvise a little along the way. Unfortunately, this actually led to a solid eJuice recipe going from amazing to average. So here's my take on the subject:

  • Building an amazing 'base' is typically the foundation that all great cooking comes from. All that depth supporting the other notes. It's been my focus on rich and deep eJuice.
  • Just like the harmony is an integral part of music, if that encroaches too far into the domain of the melody, you lose that support and contrast and becomes homogeneous …
  • Same with dashes of soy sauce on rice vs a homogeneous blend. The neutral layers enhance the more flavorful ones. Contrast makes a huge difference. So your top-end of the base needs to be below the start of the top note to get a full flavor ride.

My example recipe as follows:

(disclaimer) – I ordered TFA Danish on a whim without researching. Seems everyone loves CAP instead. So I tried to boost it and it worked but not in relation to the full recipe….

Cinnamon Apple Danish

Premix

  • 25% TFA Cinn Danish
  • 8% TFA Brown Sugar
  • 4% TFA Acetyl Pyrazine
  • 4% TFA Red Hots (this may be better added at mix stage but cut with PG to inhibit clouding)

Shake / Vape Mix

  • 3% TFA Apple
  • 2% FA Fuji
  • 1% FA Fresh Cream
  • Stevia to taste
  • Premix cut by 4 volumes. Seems this needs more PG than my usual max VG. So it's:
  • 1:2:2 [Premix, VG, PG] + top notes

Mistakes

  • Adding 1.5% Dragonfruit, dash of Honey, and 1.5% Sugar Cookie when "getting creative"
  • FA Almond at 0.5% lifts the Danish component quite well too. More AP does as well but also requires a well-steeped base.
  • These modifications brought the Danish too close to the dual Apple notes and completely muted them. Which in turn, removed the nice crisp transition from Apple to RedHots spice/aftertaste.
  • More than 1% RedHots added a ton of harshness with very little gained in return for the top-most note in the recipe. Same with pumping up the TFA Apple to compensate for the lack of contrast. It began at 2% originally and may be fine at that level. Or use whatever you own (CAP etc)

I did something very similar with my Cococreme Meringue. Was an amazing smooth vape until I went bonkers on more 2x meringue, almond, bavarian cream, VBIC, banana cream. All in small amounts, but it lost the nice 'pure' experience. Now i'm busy blending it back down with PG and using the diluted base to start over on small samples:

Refining / Enhancing

  • This is where you should begin instead of some of the mistakes listed above. The core of your new recipe will likely be a presteeped base from earlier.
  • Blend down to the proper 'end ratio' into a 120ml bottle. Max VG. So 1:4 or 1:5
  • This typically starts you off at 5% flavor, for my bulk amounts. You may want to go higher if diluting with PG in the next steps. As that ratio can massively impact your end result.
  • Take this and make 5x 30ml bottles. Label and use a journal. I use an app for most stuff but this stage really is better to have a scratchpad ….
  • Test adding your top notes.
  • Test adding more PG
  • Test adding supporting notes
  • Test lowering or adding more of a top note

I use a finger-dab to get the broad idea of what the complexity and profile is like, but in the end, you will be vaping this not drinking it. (although sublingual works in a pinch lol)

And the rest is just preference and your own juice lab experimentation.

Get the final ratios and amounts and save the recipe to your app and a cloud-based resource. Then DON'T FUCK WITH IT !!

😀

Take care all! Hope this helps someone

Mixology 201​​https://i.redd.it/x2orsq2eqfm11.jpg​​Good day all! I recently have entered stage 2 of my juice making hobby and finally taking the commercial plunge. Mainly been about my own supply and providing friends and coworkers with a reasonable bulk option that ‘has no corners cut’​First lesson is one I came up with a few years ago. Mentioned in a few threads, but figured this should have more visibility!​Bulk Steeping​This is used for tobaccos, creams, custards and very potent/floral flavors like TFA Key Lime, TFA Orange Creamsicle, TFA Grape Soda to smooth off the rough and icky edges and get some deep maturity.​Recently entered into the bakery domain and see great promise in using this technique to enhance a ‘base’ mix with greater than 0.5% Acetyl Pyrazine and Brown Sugar.​Originally this was my go-to technique for TFA [Mild Black, Vanilla Bean Icecream, Bavarian Cream, RY4 etc]​Mainly, it’s because these can be some of the best flavors when done right but require a lot of patience and is not something you can just make on demand and be happy with the outcome.The second main point is that in a recipe you will undoubtedly have bright flavors, typically fruits, which will be muted during an extended steeping period, or may introduce higher EM percentages and influence the ‘base’​Use a large glass bottle, preferrably coloured, as your bulk steep vessel. I use 8oz up to 24oz (750ml booze bottle)Pick a percentage that is easy to remember. Use this for all bases so you don’t have to think about it. I use 20% or 25%. Which is 1/5th or 1/4 v/vFill remaining volume with VG and a small amount of nicotine. I’m really unsure whether this works properly without that catalyst …Blend well, and if you use a mixing app .. make an entry like VBIC 1:5 premix (20%) You can also set the VG/PG numbers to 80/20Let these bulk age. Mark date on the label, name and ratio.When using this in a recipe, you use the same factor that was chosen in step #2. VBIC 1:5 requires 5x the volume in a recipe to become the proper amount. So 2% VBIC is 10% premix base.To continue this example, you would then add Strawberry (ripe) and the couple berry notes you like to support it. Second Strawberry, dash Raspberry, dash Acai or Dragonfruit etc.It is now a fully steeped cream with bright fruit notes on top. Shake / Vape. You can mix smaller amounts like 120/60ml bottles to ensure it’s fresh but also gauge how it matures afterwards with another tester.​My 10 flavor mix went flat​This is something new to me. Mainly because of the massive expansion of my flavor collection. When I cook, I use intuition and follow a broad plan but improvise a little along the way. Unfortunately, this actually led to a solid eJuice recipe going from amazing to average. So here’s my take on the subject:​Building an amazing ‘base’ is typically the foundation that all great cooking comes from. All that depth supporting the other notes. It’s been my focus on rich and deep eJuice.Just like the harmony is an integral part of music, if that encroaches too far into the domain of the melody, you lose that support and contrast and becomes homogeneous …Same with dashes of soy sauce on rice vs a homogeneous blend. The neutral layers enhance the more flavorful ones. Contrast makes a huge difference. So your top-end of the base needs to be below the start of the top note to get a full flavor ride.My example recipe as follows:(disclaimer) – I ordered TFA Danish on a whim without researching. Seems everyone loves CAP instead. So I tried to boost it and it worked but not in relation to the full recipe….​Cinnamon Apple Danish​Premix25% TFA Cinn Danish8% TFA Brown Sugar4% TFA Acetyl Pyrazine4% TFA Red Hots (this may be better added at mix stage but cut with PG to inhibit clouding)​Shake / Vape Mix3% TFA Apple2% FA Fuji1% FA Fresh CreamStevia to tastePremix cut by 4 volumes. Seems this needs more PG than my usual max VG. So it’s:1:2:2 [Premix, VG, PG] + top notes​MistakesAdding 1.5% Dragonfruit, dash of Honey, and 1.5% Sugar Cookie when “getting creative”FA Almond at 0.5% lifts the Danish component quite well too. More AP does as well but also requires a well-steeped base.These modifications brought the Danish too close to the dual Apple notes and completely muted them. Which in turn, removed the nice crisp transition from Apple to RedHots spice/aftertaste.More than 1% RedHots added a ton of harshness with very little gained in return for the top-most note in the recipe. Same with pumping up the TFA Apple to compensate for the lack of contrast. It began at 2% originally and may be fine at that level. Or use whatever you own (CAP etc)​I did something very similar with my Cococreme Meringue. Was an amazing smooth vape until I went bonkers on more 2x meringue, almond, bavarian cream, VBIC, banana cream. All in small amounts, but it lost the nice ‘pure’ experience. Now i’m busy blending it back down with PG and using the diluted base to start over on small samples:​Refining / Enhancing​This is where you should begin instead of some of the mistakes listed above. The core of your new recipe will likely be a presteeped base from earlier.Blend down to the proper ‘end ratio’ into a 120ml bottle. Max VG. So 1:4 or 1:5This typically starts you off at 5% flavor, for my bulk amounts. You may want to go higher if diluting with PG in the next steps. As that ratio can massively impact your end result.Take this and make 5x 30ml bottles. Label and use a journal. I use an app for most stuff but this stage really is better to have a scratchpad ….Test adding your top notes.Test adding more PGTest adding supporting notesTest lowering or adding more of a top noteI use a finger-dab to get the broad idea of what the complexity and profile is like, but in the end, you will be vaping this not drinking it. (although sublingual works in a pinch lol)​And the rest is just preference and your own juice lab experimentation.​Get the final ratios and amounts and save the recipe to your app and a cloud-based resource. Then DON’T FUCK WITH IT !!​:D​Take care all! Hope this helps someone​

Submitted September 15, 2018 at 08:00PM by Phatpharm269
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