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*Old mixer, first post*, been long pondering on identifying the exact moment when a liquid transitions from that unfinished taste into the wonderful stage we are all familiar with, and why, this is less about aging, and more about detectable complexity threshold, which is amazingly less subjective than you might think, maybe a tiny bit but not entirely, which led to the question and this post, **how can a mix smell wonderful yet taste not so good**.

Let's take a popular example, Strawberry and Cream, most fruits by nature's design and our programming smell good, and we've come as humans to like Creams too, majority of us anyway, now smell your favorite strawberry flavor and you will feel good, smell a Cream and it's good too, taste or vape them solo and the're *'lacking'*, mix shake & steep them, and they're still lacking, add a third flavor be it vanilla, another cream, caramel or cake and here is your detectable complexity threshold, it mostly transforms and the taste is beginning to rise up to the smell's goodness (excluding here complex flavors that act like shots and are good solo, also the effect of sweeteners).

It is as if liquid needs to be 3D or Stereo for a chance to register as good (vs. 2D and Mono), also irrelevant to this question how some complex mixes still taste bad, and how mixes transform by aging over time, remember this is narrowly about detectable complexity threshold, and there's little parallels in the real world, you won't bite into a ripe apple and feel it lacking as most of us would FA Fujii, it's as if man-made is 2D, while nature has set our acceptable complexity threshold settings to 3D and high.

On taste and its being subjective: Yes we are as unique in our taste abilities as our thumb prints, and there are separate chemicals in the flavors we buy for smell and for taste, and the percentages of each affects our subjective detection and liking, also us humans have unique & complex smell abilities and relatively low resolution taste detection, even while eating and drinking, it is our smell powers that mostly shape what we perceive as taste, but this is about what the majority of us would agree upon as lacking or acceptable and good, otherwise we'd all be vaping one and two flavor mixes.

So the two questions I'm sharing with you are:

**A- How can a mix smell wonderful yet taste terrible.**

We've established that smell is the decider on taste, and that taste buds are limited to salt, sweet, sour, bitter, and umami, it should follow that what smells good and is not excessively salty, sweet, sour or bitter should also taste as good, or at least not bland or unfinished or lacking, one possible answer to that might be that in taste (remember the strawberry cream here), 1 + 1 is not two but 3 or 4 or 5, with complexity being what's extra above 2.

**B- How do flavor manufacturers** like TPA, FA, FLV, INW, CAP.. Produce single flavors that (mostly) smell good, but taste bland when vaped solo, how are they assessing potential success for their product, or even selecting among different versions on say a Strawberry for the final release?

Can't be based on smell alone, for we do have examples of flavors that taste ok yet smell horrible, e.g. TFA Guava, also Honey .. Or do they produce them mostly for Foods and vaping just is just an extra bonus, another possibility is that they develop single flavors that are tested to work well in mixes not solo, but if that was true wouldn't they have leaked those said mixes to boost sales?

*Old mixer, first post*, been long pondering on identifying the exact moment when a liquid transitions from that unfinished taste into the wonderful stage we are all familiar with, and why, this is less about aging, and more about detectable complexity threshold, which is amazingly less subjective than you might think, maybe a tiny bit but not entirely, which led to the question and this post, **how can a mix smell wonderful yet taste not so good**.​​Let’s take a popular example, Strawberry and Cream, most fruits by nature’s design and our programming smell good, and we’ve come as humans to like Creams too, majority of us anyway, now smell your favorite strawberry flavor and you will feel good, smell a Cream and it’s good too, taste or vape them solo and the’re *’lacking’*, mix shake & steep them, and they’re still lacking, add a third flavor be it vanilla, another cream, caramel or cake and here is your detectable complexity threshold, it mostly transforms and the taste is beginning to rise up to the smell’s goodness (excluding here complex flavors that act like shots and are good solo, also the effect of sweeteners).​​It is as if liquid needs to be 3D or Stereo for a chance to register as good (vs. 2D and Mono), also irrelevant to this question how some complex mixes still taste bad, and how mixes transform by aging over time, remember this is narrowly about detectable complexity threshold, and there’s little parallels in the real world, you won’t bite into a ripe apple and feel it lacking as most of us would FA Fujii, it’s as if man-made is 2D, while nature has set our acceptable complexity threshold settings to 3D and high.​​On taste and its being subjective: Yes we are as unique in our taste abilities as our thumb prints, and there are separate chemicals in the flavors we buy for smell and for taste, and the percentages of each affects our subjective detection and liking, also us humans have unique & complex smell abilities and relatively low resolution taste detection, even while eating and drinking, it is our smell powers that mostly shape what we perceive as taste, but this is about what the majority of us would agree upon as lacking or acceptable and good, otherwise we’d all be vaping one and two flavor mixes.​​So the two questions I’m sharing with you are:**A- How can a mix smell wonderful yet taste terrible.**We’ve established that smell is the decider on taste, and that taste buds are limited to salt, sweet, sour, bitter, and umami, it should follow that what smells good and is not excessively salty, sweet, sour or bitter should also taste as good, or at least not bland or unfinished or lacking, one possible answer to that might be that in taste (remember the strawberry cream here), 1 + 1 is not two but 3 or 4 or 5, with complexity being what’s extra above 2.​​**B- How do flavor manufacturers** like TPA, FA, FLV, INW, CAP.. Produce single flavors that (mostly) smell good, but taste bland when vaped solo, how are they assessing potential success for their product, or even selecting among different versions on say a Strawberry for the final release?​​Can’t be based on smell alone, for we do have examples of flavors that taste ok yet smell horrible, e.g. TFA Guava, also Honey .. Or do they produce them mostly for Foods and vaping just is just an extra bonus, another possibility is that they develop single flavors that are tested to work well in mixes not solo, but if that was true wouldn’t they have leaked those said mixes to boost sales?

Submitted October 11, 2019 at 07:53PM by HobbsDeVape
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